Tournament Mode - 12 Rounds
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UED34 visits
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dynadan: hi
UED34: hello
UED34: im relatively new to tournament
dynadan: how'd your practice go?
UED34: host left too early
UED34: ive mostly ended up practicing against AIs
dynadan: did you use to play on c64 or anything?
UED34: c64=?
dynadan: commodore 64
UED34: na, sry
dynadan: old computer system game was originally released on
UED34: o
dynadan: well lets see if we can get at least 1 more warm body in here
UED34: indeed
dynadan: 2 ai's really ruin the game
UED34: I several times tried to take on 3 ais
UED34: not fun
UED34: mmm, what is the minimum stats needed for our colony to be accepted again?
UED34: somehow I forgot
dynadan: i don't know
dynadan: never had a colony fail
UED34: mmm
UED34: I one time played a 1 v 1 AI, and lost that, even though our assets totalled $13k
UED34: assets+other stuff
UED34: well nvm
UED34: we had a total score of 13k
dynadan: hmmm
UED34: I had a little more than 3k
UED34: $
dynadan: thats pretty bad alright
dynadan: usually everyone has between 20-40k by end of game
UED34: o, well this was 6 rounds
dynadan: ahhh
dynadan: ya that wasn't making sense... you get 500 just for each plot you own
UED34: ok
UED34: ya I can see it kind of hard for 6 rounds for everyone to get anywhere close to 20k
UED34: in 6 rounds for everyone*
dynadan: ya game really needs all 12 rounds to fully develop
UED34: true
dynadan: basically you want to work on smith till about round 7 or 8 and then switch to crystite
UED34: indeed
UED34: ive seen that several times by some AIs pulling $3k out of thin air by selling those when bottom price is high
dynadan: ya usually there is at least 1 shortage of smith a game... sometimes 2
UED34: indeed
dynadan: i have seen people win just by doing smith whole game.... but have never seen anyone win by just doing stite
UED34: they may put themselves in a desperate state
dynadan: there are some dirty tricks when it comes to smith late in game
dynadan: like buying all the smith in store and then letting all the mules go
dynadan: to drive up price
UED34: o
UED34: similar tactic too for other commodities?
dynadan: stite is random
UED34: well, nvm
UED34: food and energy remain constant
dynadan: but energy can be manipulated easy
UED34: do the prices fluctuate?
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dynadan: ya they are based on supply and demand the whole game
dynadan: except last round
dynadan: last round food maxxes out at 40 something
UED34: ok
UED34: well
dynadan: but energy will be near whatever someone bought last round for
dynadan: so it is easy to spike energy the last round
UED34: true
UED34: but the tactics are tricky
dynadan: ya lots of strategy but also a lot of luck
UED34: indeed
dynadan: thats why i think the game holds up so well after all this time
UED34: I have yet to play against a human though
UED34: its relatively easy now to get
UED34: fixing IP stuff though is an extra challenge for those who want to host
UED34: a friend of mine recommended this game to me
UED34: and I thought I give it a try
UED34: to me it looks interesting
UED34: but against just AIs though.... they get too predictable
UED34: sometimes
dynadan: ya
dynadan: ai's suck
dynadan: and the hosting thing is a pain
dynadan: took me 3 hours to get mine all sorted out
dynadan: can't do it on wireless apparently
UED34: really?
UED34: it's not possible to do it on wireless?
UED34: how much more time are you willing to give for an extra warm-blooded being?
dynadan: thats what i have heard and when i tried it was lagged as all hell
UED34: how bad was the ping?
UED34: 500 ms? 1k ms?
dynadan: my ping was like 5.... wasn't a ping thing i don't know exactly what the issue is with wireless
UED34: mmmm
dynadan: i can play with wireless with only occasional lag.... but can not host... have to plug in to host
UED34: an average of 5 ms though is hardly a lag
UED34: lag as hell=500 ms or greater, on average from what ive seen
UED34: eh, I guess ping is not frequently checked
dynadan: well i was hosting so it was as low as it could be
UED34: o
dynadan: normally when others are hosting it is between 100-300
UED34: ok I see what you mean
dynadan: still 100 ping should not cause lag
UED34: indeed
UED34: 100-300 is tolerable I think
UED34: more than tolerable perhaps
UED34: eh, not sure if I got that out right
dynadan: i think my router is a little screwy... has really brief disconnects sometimes
UED34: could it also be that another host left earlier?
dynadan: so it is probably more about how the game handles things like that
UED34: more like server issues
dynadan: i play a lot of poker and it never has a problem reconnecting fast
UED34: poker as in fun poker or as in gambling poker?
dynadan: but when i play scrabble an instant of disconnect and it boots me
dynadan: gambol
UED34: mmm, doesnt sound surprising
UED34: I wonder how much the servers charge for each of those games
UED34: or nvm
dynadan: glad its not reversed or i would be down 1000's lol
UED34: what time does this game have more players on?
UED34: time of the day*
dynadan: i pay roughly 2k in rake every month to the poker sites
dynadan: primetime is probably about 12 hours from now
dynadan: although there are a lot of euro's that play in about 4 hours from now
dynadan: this is about average for this time of night
UED34: similar with several other games
dynadan: the other game thats running has the other regulars in it]
UED34: including a ranked 1 person I noticed
tinfins visits
UED34: hello
dynadan: ya rodz is a very good player
dynadan: hi tinfin
tinfins: hey
dynadan: sucks about last game
UED34: what do you mean dyn?
dynadan: where did you go
tinfins joined the game in slot 3
tinfins: just froze on me for some reason
UED34: ouch
dynadan: we restarted and waited for you but then finally started
tinfins: oh, damn, i figured you just played wthout me, sorry
dynadan: 1st or 2nd round disconnects we usually just make the host quit and start over
tinfins: ah
dynadan: down with ai's lol
UED34: indeed
tinfins: ai makes some strange choices
UED34: over time, they can get predictable it seems
dynadan: food fetish a lot
UED34: that's one type of ai
tinfins: yeah, and then they wont sell it and just let it all spoil
UED34: mmm
UED34: normally I would see it just sell
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dynadan: well shall we?
UED34: alright
UED34: good luck
dynadan: gl guys
Round 1 of 12
dynadan: weird lag sometimes first round
UED34: I see
UED34: lucky
UED34: lucky ai
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dynadan: hmmm
dynadan: we lost tin i guess
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tinfins was disconnected
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dynadan: now we lost tin
UED34: that's cheap
dynadan: pretty standard
Round 2 of 12
UED34: o
dynadan: just make an energy plot you are fine
dynadan: last place guy the 1st round usually does that
dynadan: land is very valuable btw
UED34: indeed
dynadan: meaning you probably should have bought one of those plots last turn
Round 3 of 12
dynadan: buyi t
dynadan: land has a value of 500 so if you take that plus everything you can grow on it ....it is worth 2-3k each by end of game
dynadan: plus it really helps to stay out of first place by buying land for more than the 500
UED34: does being in 1st place matter?
UED34: tired of my monopoly eh?
UED34: :P
dynadan: first place gets punished a lot
dynadan: 75% chance something bad will happen to you when you are 1st
UED34: ok
dynadan: and good things happen to last a lot more
dynadan: uh oh
dynadan: 1st lol
UED34: thank you!
Round 4 of 12
UED34: that looked like it hurt
dynadan: ya
dynadan: moved my mtn and lost a mule
UED34: interesting, you still have 1st place after that loss
Round 5 of 12
dynadan: i did good here but am in bad shape for next round
dynadan: see this is why ai's suck....real people would have never sold me energy there
Round 6 of 12
UED34: indeed
UED34: ouch
dynadan: 1st to last that easy hehe
UED34: talk about inflation
UED34: what a waste
UED34: ouch...
dynadan: oops
UED34: indeed
Round 7 of 12
dynadan: oops
Round 8 of 12
dynadan: phew
UED34: that's another thing, a human would not sell those
UED34: at such a cheap price
UED34: I dont know why I did that...
UED34: ouch...
dynadan: oops again
UED34: 3rd time really
dynadan: i was going to sell to you just showing you what most players would have done
dynadan: energy is rarely sold
Round 9 of 12
dynadan: good purchase
UED34: im surprised you didnt go for it
UED34: let alone green...
dynadan: i was broke
dynadan: you get production bonus for land you have touching making the same thing....you also get bonus for every 3 lands you have making same thing
UED34: lol, now the price of that is down
UED34: or should go down eventually
dynadan: ouch this is the lowest price possible for stite
UED34: and it will stay low too...
UED34: wow, talk about a harvest
dynadan: this is where all that overpriced land pays off
dynadan: haha now thats the idea
dynadan: this game is usually played pretty cutthroat
Round 10 of 12
UED34: ya
UED34: I was about to buy all the food left and monopolize, but
UED34: I want this colony to survive
UED34: I wonder what the price of crystals would be
dynadan: we will retire in elegant estates
UED34: o wow
UED34: you and purp and green will
dynadan: it takes a few games to really get the hang of this game
UED34: eh, I probably shouldnt have done that...
dynadan: doesn't matter much
dynadan: it won't go up from here
UED34: lol
dynadan: hehe
UED34: I shouldve done something
Round 11 of 12
dynadan: that was a pretty good price
UED34: eh, I did that one too late
UED34: whoops, I thought those were crystals...
dynadan: hehe
UED34: -drools at everyone's six figure money-
dynadan: sell me some very high price energy and then switch everything to energy next round
dynadan: higher
dynadan: that shouold do it
dynadan: try to switch as many plots as you can
Round 12 of 12
UED34: plots=?
UED34: farm? sun farms?
dynadan: plots is just 1 space of land
UED34: all that within 1 round?!
dynadan: you did good ... you could have gotten 1 more switched on the right side.... best to have plots touching making same thing
UED34: very few of my plots are adjacent...
dynadan: ya next time they will be though eh?
UED34: indeed
dynadan: grrr was hoping energy would be higher
dynadan: it might take average of enrgy sold on round 11
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dynadan: lots of players favor the left side of the map also because it is easier to switch a lot of lands to stite fast
dynadan: can change about 5 or 6 land to stite on a turn on left side of map
UED34: ok, however
UED34: im still surprised at how much crystals youve harvested
UED34: total
UED34: within 1 round
dynadan: i had all 12 lands making only stite
UED34: esp having the price be high
dynadan: ya that was lucky
UED34: ok
dynadan: 12 land bonus is large
dynadan: 12+ lands = 70+ stite
dynadan: 9+ lands = 50+ stite
UED34: even if there were readings of none on one land?
dynadan: 6+ lands is around 30
dynadan: ya the production bonuses are the most important
UED34: o
dynadan: if you just have 1 land it is better to have the resource
UED34: of course
UED34: its unfortunate really
UED34: that the green AI sold the metal stuff in balk
dynadan: but once your lands are touching and you get the every 3 bonuses going it don't matter that much
UED34: sneaky little bonus
dynadan: ya we could have made 2nd shortage after store burned
UED34: ya
UED34: on 2nd though
UED34: thought
dynadan: land choosing is a very hard part of this game
UED34: monopolizing food or energy is not practical
dynadan: playing with 4 experienced players is deadly
dynadan: it is without the bots
dynadan: bots screw up the game by always selling
UED34: eh
UED34: o thats true
UED34: however
UED34: with food and energy
UED34: they stale easily...
dynadan: but no one ever wins by just having food or energy
UED34: as opposed to crystals and metal
dynadan: ya
UED34: well
UED34: if anyone allowed anyone to monopolize or play weird market games to try to boost the price
UED34: that person can easily be toppled
dynadan: but energy is really important.... you need to stockpile enough so you can switch over all energy plots by the end of the game
UED34: what about food though?
dynadan: food is used to screw people a lot
UED34: what do you mean?
dynadan: like that move you started doing late
dynadan: buying the store out etc
UED34: o
UED34: ya
dynadan: not selling
UED34: I wanted to raise the price
UED34: I shouldve done more for the markets to be more desperate...
UED34: I wonder
UED34: in real-life markets
dynadan: price gets raised on a formule that involves how many people are short and by how much and also how much they were sold for in round
UED34: ok
UED34: in real-life markets
dynadan: if people started round short but they all get what they need by end or buy/sell price will not go up that much
UED34: is the practice of a producer buying extras to increase the prices illegal?
UED34: eh nvm
dynadan: if 3 people have no food at end of buy/sell it will for sure be high
UED34: there's always someone that can underbid
dynadan: alls fair in this game... there are lots of evil tricks
UED34: true
UED34: well
UED34: those cant be practical in a 6 round game
dynadan: nah
dynadan: just to try and teach you to play
UED34: thank you
dynadan: you played pretty good ...just need to make more smith early and get your plots together
UED34: eh
UED34: the plots ya definitely
UED34: not too sure on smith though
UED34: well
UED34: if there's no ai to sell in bulk
UED34: I can see that
UED34: btw
dynadan: smith is really tricky to figure out the different strategies
UED34: I felt lucky I had a monopoly hold on food so early
UED34: I shouldve been more choking with that...
dynadan: and also learning how to defend against those same strategies
UED34: well
dynadan: really hard to pull off early especially with 2 ai's
UED34: indeed
UED34: well
UED34: those ai's respond to supply/demand sooo quickly
UED34: like one turning nearly all plots to energy
UED34: when there was an energy shortage
dynadan: ya then you need to spend 1k+ just to keep me short of food....just not worth it
UED34: esp for early game
UED34: +
UED34: im more interested in buyers
UED34: not creating misery :)
UED34: eh, nvm
UED34: no point in food if people cant buy really...
dynadan: most important thing is your money and having the most money at the start of each round so you can buy land and not be in 1st place
UED34: indeed
dynadan: 1st place sucks
UED34: later on though
UED34: 1st place guy got little pain
dynadan: all your food gets eaten all the time and your mules run away
UED34: hold on
dynadan: when its me they take away plots etc. hahah
UED34: what do you mean by all mules run away
UED34: I thought theyre only available at stores
dynadan: radiation causes your mule to runaway
UED34: yet only the store owns mules
UED34: what's up with that?
dynadan: or during earthquake 1st place guy can lose any nymber of mules
dynadan: i lost 1 last game to that
UED34: ok
UED34: there's a game out there available now
UED34: im going to join it
UED34: thank you for your time
dynadan: i play from 1st pretty often because i usually take a good mtn on 1st turn.... and sometimes i get tired of the game screwing me lol
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