Tournament Mode - 12 Rounds

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Howie: well

shrtngr8: for some reason i cant use headphones

shrtngr8: everytime i put them in the volume mixer crashed

Howie: can you use it w/ out headphones

shrtngr8: yea

shrtngr8: but i dont wanna wake my parents

shrtngr8: i dont think were gonna get a game

Howie: there are a couple games about to end

Howie: they're on round 11

Howie: just go in the basment or something

shrtngr8: im gonna try to put in the headphones again

Howie: k

shrtngr8: so far so good

shrtngr8: lets try skype

shrtngr8: see if i can fuck it up

shrtngr8: i dont feel like it

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BaronHelix visits

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BaronHelix: hihi

shrtngr8: hi

shrtngr8: think we can get one more?

BaronHelix: dunno

BaronHelix: only 2 in lobby

BaronHelix: 1 room is close-ish to ending

BaronHelix: ok, now lobby is empty

BaronHelix: so, either someone else logs in like I did, or we wait for month 11 and 12.

BaronHelix: or a comp

shrtngr8: lets give it a couple minutess

shrtngr8: and if worse comes to worse

flyingloser visits

shrtngr8: will throw in a comp

shrtngr8: aight

shrtngr8: perfect

BaronHelix: hooray :)

shrtngr8: give me 2 minutes guys and we are there

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Howie: ugh

shrtngr8: yd he leave

shrtngr8: shit

shrtngr8: another game is almost ending

shrtngr8: well wait for that i guess

Elvenwitch visits

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BaronHelix: hf all

Elvenwitch: Hello

Howie: hi

Round 1 of 12

Elvenwitch: I would like to end my miserable loosing steak if possible

Elvenwitch: or atleast not loose totally

Elvenwitch: I should prob not be inebreated or however you spell it :-)

shrtngr8: what are u drinking?

Elvenwitch: vodka

Howie: straight up

Howie: ?

Elvenwitch: oh yea

Howie: nice

shrtngr8: why?

Elvenwitch: love the taste of a good vodka

BaronHelix: a really good vodka doesn't have a taste tho

Elvenwitch: I like oak vodka I prob should have specified

shrtngr8: i dont know wha t tthat is?

Elvenwitch: it has a sliver of oak added to the bottle so it absorbs the flavor like a good rum

Round 2 of 12

Elvenwitch: not rum

Elvenwitch: well actually aged tequila same thing

shrtngr8: ill be honest....

shrtngr8: i have no idea what your talking about

Elvenwitch: ok

shrtngr8: but im glad your enjoying it

Elvenwitch: tyvm

BaronHelix: grats

Elvenwitch: :-)

Elvenwitch: yay I get a mule

Elvenwitch: I hope

Round 3 of 12

Round 4 of 12

Elvenwitch: bummer

BaronHelix: stupid timer. casusing bad plays :P :)]

Elvenwitch: every time

Round 5 of 12

Elvenwitch: ouch

Round 6 of 12

shrtngr8: fuck

shrtngr8: im an idiot

BaronHelix: ???

shrtngr8: putting the farm where i did

shrtngr8: i should be shot

shrtngr8: it wont produce shit

BaronHelix: ah

shrtngr8: i dont see how u can lose this game

BaronHelix: comp events sure are trying to make it happen

BaronHelix: :)

Elvenwitch: sorry all I am selling

Round 7 of 12

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shrtngr8: hard to believe

shrtngr8: how did u know the price would still be high

BaronHelix: it never drops entirely

shrtngr8: with 8 mules in there at round 7 and 37 smithore in the store

BaronHelix: it dropped 100, that is steep. but it won't bottom to 50

shrtngr8: ive seen it go to 50 after being inflated to 240

Round 8 of 12

BaronHelix: 230 is max.

BaronHelix: and if it dropped that much, i can only assume it was month 11 or 12

shrtngr8: i twas

BaronHelix: w/ all the plots filled w/ working mules

shrtngr8: and i ment 230

BaronHelix: ah :)

BaronHelix: they changed the code. now, in month 11 and 12, it always drops some regardless

shrtngr8: o

BaronHelix: so max is really only like 180 or something

shrtngr8: when are the gonna fiz the land autction

BaronHelix: don't know

Round 9 of 12

shrtngr8: see 50

shrtngr8: round 9

BaronHelix: right, but that is down from 75

BaronHelix: and if we keep selling, we keep the price down

shrtngr8: i know that

shrtngr8: i thought u were sayin it stays relatively high the whole time

BaronHelix: nope. just saying if it is very high it can only drop a certain amount

BaronHelix: except for month 11 and 12 where it is inclined to drop harder

Round 10 of 12

shrtngr8: i feel like if everyone plays solid this whole thing always comes down to what the price of crystite is

BaronHelix: that is 1/2 true. it also depends how many plots of land you have

shrtngr8: i guess

BaronHelix: and the early/mid game is about getting land w/o totally running out of of operating $

shrtngr8: well the only way u can get more land than other people is through the auction (which sucks) or a random event

shrtngr8: which makes me still feel its a lot to do with chance

shrtngr8: even getting good land is a function of chance

BaronHelix: only sort of

BaronHelix: by the time crystitwe is being made, the bigger factor is the bonus for multiple producers

shrtngr8: how do u figure?

BaronHelix: a 0 crys w/ +3 from 9 mules is same as a solo high crys

shrtngr8: yea but how can u strategically ensure u have more land than the others

shrtngr8: it seems all a matter of auction right?

BaronHelix: main thing is knowing where you plan to build based on need

BaronHelix: yep

BaronHelix: get land by having $ when the auctions come up

shrtngr8: which is also a catch 22

BaronHelix: have $ by playing the buy/sell well

BaronHelix: well, that is the trick of the game

shrtngr8: u want money yet u want to invest

BaronHelix: if it was a given, it would have no interest

shrtngr8: especially when smithore is getting important at that stage

Round 11 of 12

BaronHelix: usually for me, the answer is to always spend the money on land

BaronHelix: the # of months you have to make that $ back is great.

shrtngr8: well for me

BaronHelix: plus, you won't be in the lead. loss from events and bonus from catch up can balance out some of the smithore sales

shrtngr8: i never have that much cuz its all tied up in smithore

BaronHelix: main advantage is you get first shot at buy-back of ore.

BaronHelix: but yeah, that requires keeping some $

shrtngr8: u never looked back since u made out from the smithore this gam

shrtngr8: e

BaronHelix: it wasn't the ore that kept me ahead

BaronHelix: it was the extra plots

shrtngr8: u had the most

shrtngr8: if the auction is such a pivital part of the game it should be fixed

BaronHelix: also0, noone tried to buyout the smithore market

shrtngr8: i thought we did

BaronHelix: leader is not able to profit when everyone else buys the ore market down to zero

BaronHelix: nope. everyone kept selling with me

shrtngr8: i had no money to buy it back

BaronHelix: and i was happy to kill the price once i made the initial glut

BaronHelix: only once you spent all that money getting land

BaronHelix: ????

shrtngr8: no

shrtngr8: on smithore from the beginning

BaronHelix: ok, that was scary

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shrtngr8: u back

shrtngr8: ?

BaronHelix: yeah

BaronHelix: don't know what happened there

shrtngr8: do u know why i bought the crystite off u?

Round 12 of 12

BaronHelix: why as in how?

shrtngr8: no

BaronHelix: or as to what purpose

shrtngr8: as to why i did it

BaronHelix: b/c that had me puzzled

BaronHelix: max value is 148, so that is a heck of a gamble

BaronHelix: especially since we have only had 1 visit from pirates so far

Howie: isnt it 144?

shrtngr8: i thought i was 144

shrtngr8: secondly

shrtngr8: i didnt think pirates come lsat round

shrtngr8: and third

shrtngr8: this is why i did it

shrtngr8: if im trying to win,

shrtngr8: which i am

BaronHelix: possibly. i had heard it was 48-148, but i have never seen more than 144

BaronHelix: oh, right. month 12. no pirates :)

shrtngr8: i have to do opposite what u do

shrtngr8: if i do the same i can only maintain why spot behind u

shrtngr8: see what i mean

shrtngr8: if i would have sold with u

shrtngr8: i wouldnt be able to gain anything on u

BaronHelix: yes, i understand the philosophy.

BaronHelix: but the profit range was too small over the sale price.

shrtngr8: so i wasnt going to win either way

BaronHelix: basically, i get taking a gamble, but even if it works it's not enough

shrtngr8: maybe it moves me in second

BaronHelix: i respect you for taking a chance to close the gap some though

BaronHelix: exactly :)

shrtngr8: so i dont know why i would have sold with u

BaronHelix: b/c it was likely to be the most profitable choice

BaronHelix: and then just hope you claim second by producing more in 12 w/ your extra plots over the others

shrtngr8: but ultimately its relative profit im interested in

shrtngr8: not absolute

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shrtngr8: and selling would have increased my profit by not relative to anyone

Howie: gg

BaronHelix: ok, how much crys did you end with in month 11?

shrtngr8: maybe like 25

BaronHelix: you were luck that you only lost $20 per.

shrtngr8: around there

shrtngr8: why

shrtngr8: i was going to lose either way

BaronHelix: had it been a closer game and it dropped to 50....

shrtngr8: had it been a close game i wouldnt have done it

BaronHelix: ahhhh

BaronHelix: yeah, 5k behind 2nd is tought

BaronHelix: errr, tough

shrtngr8: yea well

shrtngr8: shit happens

shrtngr8: but it would have done me no good to sell with you

shrtngr8: im convinced about that

BaronHelix: but if it worked out best (140s) you only were going to make $250.

BaronHelix: for every -10 you could lose the same 250

shrtngr8: wait

BaronHelix: at a price of 50, that means you lose 1500

shrtngr8: wait a second tho

BaronHelix: ok

shrtngr8: i was sure before we saw any prices in round 11 i would do the opposite of u

shrtngr8: because the price happened to be high

shrtngr8: it fucked me

shrtngr8: but

shrtngr8: if the price was real low

shrtngr8: doing the opposite could have been more profitable

shrtngr8: or if the price was in the middle rather

BaronHelix: but i would have done the opposite myself

shrtngr8: like 90's

shrtngr8: so say

shrtngr8: round 11 price was 95

BaronHelix: i would have sold down to 50 to avoid spoilage and kept the rest

shrtngr8: what would u have done

shrtngr8: if rnd 11 price 95 what would u have done?

BaronHelix: 50-100, i try to keep

shrtngr8: ok

BaronHelix: 50-150 i sell

shrtngr8: theres overlap in that philosophy

BaronHelix: you sell at 90 while i keep and then I make releative more than you in month 12 when it goes up to 110

shrtngr8: but we didnt know these numbers going into it

shrtngr8: if it was 95 in ronf 11

shrtngr8: and u kept it

shrtngr8: and i sold it

BaronHelix: doing opposite of me is risky as my play from the lead is the "safe" logical one

shrtngr8: and then it went down to 60

BaronHelix: right, in mid range price, you have greater chance of coming out ahead

BaronHelix: price 100....

shrtngr8: right

shrtngr8: as long as i do the opposite of what your doing

BaronHelix: i sell, you keep, you can make _45 per unit more

shrtngr8: exactly

shrtngr8: u sell i keep

shrtngr8: the same

shrtngr8: or maybe a little less

BaronHelix: i keep you sell, you can make +50 more per if it drops

shrtngr8: right

BaronHelix: but if it is not a central price....

BaronHelix: like it wasn't

shrtngr8: well i didnt know that

shrtngr8: like i said

BaronHelix: then playing against the grain becomes a worse choice

shrtngr8: id didnt say an alternative

shrtngr8: wut else should i have done

shrtngr8: sell with

shrtngr8: im just securing a safe spot in 3rd

BaronHelix: yeah. it won't beat me, but it is more likely to get you 2nd

shrtngr8: i dont see how

shrtngr8: howie had more crystite then me

shrtngr8: he sold to

shrtngr8: i would have actually lost ground

BaronHelix: agreed. trying to make up 5k in one month is nearly impossible

shrtngr8: since he had more than me i would have lost ground

BaronHelix: i am just saying, for a general principle of playing the market

Howie: woooooooo

Howie: gooologic

BaronHelix: from 130, it can only go up 15 max

Howie: goooo logic

shrtngr8: right

shrtngr8: but thats still going up

BaronHelix: but it can drop 80

BaronHelix: odds are not good at all

shrtngr8: so whats the difference

BaronHelix: >>>

BaronHelix: ???

shrtngr8: im saying

BaronHelix: difference in what?

shrtngr8: if i did wut ur saying it would secure me losing ground on u guys

shrtngr8: where as if i did wut i did

BaronHelix: nope

shrtngr8: i could gain ground

BaronHelix: it keeps you from losing ground

shrtngr8: but probably would lose even more ground

shrtngr8: look

BaronHelix: you had the advantage for the game ver howie

BaronHelix: you had +2 plots of land

shrtngr8: he had mor e cryste

shrtngr8: a lot more

BaronHelix: therefore, you should produce a LOT more crystite in final month

BaronHelix: he sells or buys regardless of your actions

BaronHelix: a good price is a good price

shrtngr8: i agree

shrtngr8: but if he has more

shrtngr8: ill lose ground

BaronHelix: did he keep?

shrtngr8: i wont lose as much ground

shrtngr8: he sold it to me

shrtngr8: the one time

shrtngr8: i actually stopped both of u from selling it

BaronHelix: then how is that good for you what happened?

shrtngr8: and hoped for pirates

BaronHelix: i sold out

shrtngr8: if the price went up in 12 i could have gained ground

BaronHelix: only +15 a unit max

shrtngr8: still gaining ground tho

shrtngr8: as opposed to losing it

BaronHelix: not worth the risk

shrtngr8: i guess thats the epicenter of our disagreement

BaronHelix: better to try and keep pace, since you are the "faster runner"

shrtngr8: i think it is worth the risk

shrtngr8: i guess that makes sense

shrtngr8: i didnt think I could gain that much more in 1 month

BaronHelix: nondnod

shrtngr8: didnt view myself as tha much "faster of a runner"

BaronHelix: and 5 k is a big gap to close

BaronHelix: so i kind of get the desperate act

BaronHelix: but +15 was not going to be enough to do it

shrtngr8: right

BaronHelix: at least not alone, but along with increased production....

shrtngr8: i knew i was fucked when i saw that high price in the 11th

BaronHelix: right

shrtngr8: alright dude

shrtngr8: good talk

BaronHelix: i uderstand your hope. it was the exact right thing

BaronHelix: but the problem for me is sticking w/ it when it didn't pan out

shrtngr8: yea

BaronHelix: gg

shrtngr8: i guess your right

shrtngr8: good game

shrtngr8: peace

BaronHelix: i look forward to a rematch :)

shrtngr8: me too

BaronHelix: night

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