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Lee558: hi Rolf!
Rolf: hi Lee!
Lee558: rolf, I've come to the conclusion that Cyber does have an advantage on Landrubot
Rolf: It appears that way. Do you have any specifics?
Lee558: He has beaten me on plot picks 3 times in the last week when I'm low man.
Rolf: ah yes that
Lee558: It happens too often for it to be me being slow or just random
Lee558: Don't have the issue elsewhere
Rolf: I don't believe I have ever seen it happen with other players and not on Landrubot
Lee558: Add to that the disconnects on Landrubot and I am now avoiding it.
Lee558: I'll play there only if it is play landru or don't play.
Rolf: usually it's pretty straightforward. You are in last, you click on the black box after it turns grey prior to the plot you want, bingo, you got it
Rolf: but yes that is very frustrating when CR gets your plot, isn't it?
Lee558: Yep.
Lee558: Cyber is the only one that beats me if I am paying attn and only on Landrubot
Lee558: Earlier tonight I discussed it with him and he said he understood. Thinks it has to do with player location vs NYC location of landru host.
Lee558: "very frustrating"? I have another term for it... lol!
Rolf: well I'm still learning, but my skills are improving slightly, Cyber can still beat me in a game, but I'm working on it
Rolf: hey, while we are just chatting, do you know the exact formula for how the assets value is calculated?
Lee558: Cyber wins his share. He is deadly if 2 AI in the game.
Rolf: I actually have a screenshot that I could probably reference it from with a little linear algebra
Rolf: but it's closer to asset buy price than sell price, yes?
Rolf: and that's how to crush cyber in a 2 bot game, you have to make sure that his gluttonous buys always keep him out of 4th
Lee558: Yes. Price of mules at the moment, price of what the mule is outfitted for (tite = 100), store buy price of commodities held.
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Lee558: that was interesting
Lee558: Did boot get disconnected from other game or quit?
Lee558: going to get a cocktail. brb.
Rolf: no worries
Rolf: yes that seems to be correct at first glance, that it is indeed 100% of buy price of the assets
Rolf: so yeah that's how I've been keeping cyber in his place, always sell all my assets that I don't need, let him buy them all up greedily, then watch his place rise because of the crazy value of all his assets. Sort of embarrassing that it took me 450 games to figure this basic mechanic out
Rolf: as for boot it sounds like he got disconnected from the other game on Landru
Lee558: back
Rolf: boot did say in the lobby maybe in 5 minutes
Lee558: I forgot to mention plots in asset valuation
Rolf: so I'll be here
Lee558: plots always worth 500
Rolf: plots are 500 each
Rolf: right
Rolf: which is the easiest way to get yourself into last early on
Rolf: or the sketchy no wampus no pub method
Lee558: Better to buy up units not needed like Cyber does if you want to be last than to skip on free money
Lee558: at least you get something out of the assets
Lee558: You and I are neck and neck on Mule's rating system now Rolf. 182 vs 186
Lee558: Boot said earlier tonight he has the same problem with this bot as I do with Landrubot on land picks.
Rolf: with mulebot eh
Rolf: interesting
Lee558: Cyber claims ping is the issue. however, my pings are not bad on landru or elsewhere
Rolf: right with the buy it up --- however, and I am sure you are considering the big picture, if you buy 10 food that you don't need, and the buy price is 50, that's 500 in assets that are keeping you out of last
Lee558: I have a hard time thinking 50 or so thousandth's of a second are the problem.
Rolf: and last place is king for a good chunk of the game
Rolf: yeah it's not ping
Rolf: cyber talks a lot like he knows tech, but I don't think he does
Rolf: I don't know about you, but my first modem was 300 baud. It was not an acoustic coupler modem though. My second was 3/1200 baud
Rolf: my first DSL was magical, at 256kbit synchronous
Rolf: they rapidly upgraded that to 640k down / 256k up :)
Lee558: Hah! Rolf, I just retired this year as a self employed Systems Engineer (design, implement, and administer computer networks). I know tech, but I don't know the inner working of a Mule server and what preferences can be set.
Rolf: right
Rolf: I believe there are preferences that can be set
Rolf: for example, on mulebot, timed out players do not get kicked right away, unless I am mistaken
Rolf: on Landru they do
Rolf: when I host a game, apparently timed out players can be kicked right away, or they are all quitting and lying to me, it's hard to say
Lee558: There is. Cyber is tight with Landru and he complained to Landru about somebody and Landru changed some settings to disadvantage that player. Don't recall the details.
Rolf: well for one thing Landru adjusted lots of people's rep to minus infinity
Lee558: I've hosted many timew without issue.
Rolf: for kicking cyber
Lee558: Right about the rep, but there is more that can be done.
Rolf: I have also hosted many times without issue, but lately people have either been losing connection or claiming to
Rolf: right
Rolf: I'll run a google fiber speed test right now and copy paste the results here
Rolf: (I don't have fiber, I have cable)
Rolf: from here https://fiber.google.com/speedtest/
Lee558: I've a server (well several, but one I can use for this) here I'm considering using as a host when I have time. I'm talking about a powerful box that runs the Windows Server OS. I'd have to get a static public IP address and the bot software.
Rolf: here are my results
Rolf: Ping 7 ms Jitter 2 ms Download 520.2 Mbps Upload 52.9
Rolf: I don't think my ping is the issue on Landru
Rolf: what are your results?
Lee558: My ping on this server right now is 107ms
Rolf: same here, 107
Rolf: I was thinking, you know, if you wanted to run a test on the old google fiber speed test that I shared the link to
Rolf: you can just highlight the results text and copy paste it
Rolf: Cyber chose to go wait on Landru rather than come in here I guess
Lee558: I'm running a cheap cable ISP right now. I get close to 100 mbs download and about 5 or so mbs upload.
Rolf: ping and jitter?
Lee558: Mule doesn't need or use all of that.
Rolf: I'm 7 ms and 2 ms
Rolf: I dunno about you but my reaction time is probably in the 200ms range?
Lee558: I get about 22 ms pinging one of the ISP's name servers
Rolf: trying to remember from high school when we played drop the yardstick
Lee558: If I load it up (bigger packets) stays the same
Rolf: using a simple tracert to my ISP's www site, the first hops are <1 (internal router to modem), 7, 8, 16, and 17 ms
Lee558: To test with high bandwith use (from the command prompt) ping (ip address of target server) -t -l 900
Rolf: and I'm okay with that
Rolf: won't really matter much for mule, will it
Lee558: Yes, but you are only pinging with a 32 byte packet. The command I gave you above will ping with a 900 byte packet
Lee558: Ethernet will go up to 1500 bytes, but a lot of Internet routers will not pass that large a packet.
Rolf: changed nothing here
Rolf: just trying say www.google.com, I went from 51 53 49 50 to 50 50 50 50
Rolf: I mean there were more, but it was fairly repetetive ;)
Lee558: No, Mule doesn't need much bandwidth and latency (ping) doesn't really seem to be a big deal in the game working. Cyber and others say ping makes a competitive difference, but I've been unable to prove it.
Rolf: the thing about cyber is that he is either a deliberate or unintentional liar
Rolf: either way, it's true
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CCMuleBot01: === Cyber Ranger Bot Reputation: A+++ (152) Bot Games: 55
Lee558: Yes, most of the time you will be good with larger packets on the modern Internet.
Lee558: Hi Cyber!
Rolf: hey Cyber
Cyber Ranger: ...if the game won't come to you...
Cyber Ranger: Hey y'all...
Rolf: we were sort of waiting for Boot, but I don't know if he wants to play again
Lee558: If you have a problematic connection, you will see time outs and higher latency (ping) values.
Cyber Ranger: cat treats, brb...
Rolf: he said maybe in 5 minutes but that was about 15 minutes ago
Cyber Ranger: I have no issues - regardless...
Rolf: one bot is fine
Lee558: Cyber! Are you drinking so much you are eating cat treats now! What has our military come too! lol!
Lee558: We have Boot, Flash, and Fluffy showing in the lobby.
Rolf: I'll wait as long as you guys want to
Lee558: One day (in an alternative universe) everybody will play anybody and we shall sing Kumbaya! lol!
Cyber Ranger: Well, good for them; THEY'RE NOT "HERE"...
Cyber Ranger: bot:addai
Rolf: Fluffy won't join most likely, Flash has been idle for a while
Added computer player <J.I.M.>
Rolf: and Boot I dunno!
Lee558: What's this cat treat you are eating Cyber?
Rolf: I'll brb just a minute or so
Cyber Ranger: Boot, got booted - in PLandru; internet timeout...
Lee558: k
Cyber Ranger: So, he's kinda on-the-fence; guarded, right now...
Lee558: Cyber, boot was complaining about getting disconnected or losing plot picks on this server earlier.
Lee558: I'm convinced now that landrubot has disconnect issues.
Lee558: At first, I thought it was just because I played more on that bot
Lee558: Now i'm playing is much on others, but only getting disconnected on landru
Lee558: cat treats, brb... cat treats, brb...
Lee558: Cyber! Are you drinking so much you are eating cat treats now! What has our military come too! lol!
Lee558: rdy all?
Lee558: r
Rolf: I know that the Marines eat crayons
Rolf: maybe the Army Rangers eat cat treats?
Lee558: lol!
Cyber Ranger: THEY LIKE ANYTHING - when they're hungry...
Cyber Ranger: GLE - HF!!!!
Round 1 of 12
Cyber Ranger: WOW - you guys are something else...
Rolf: bot:pings
CCMuleBot01: Pings: <S10 P14> 0ms (1ms) Lee558 : 107ms (107ms) Rolf : 106ms (107ms) Cyber Ranger : 107ms (107ms)
Rolf: one thing is for sure, we all have the same ping
Rolf: apparently I have the most jitter!
Rolf: see that's 640 on top
Round 2 of 12
Rolf: oops :)
Rolf: I meant to sell one
Rolf: your gain!
Lee558: I meant to buy one, not two! my loss!
Round 3 of 12
Rolf: dang it all!
Rolf: backsies?
Cyber Ranger: Next turn...
Rolf: mazel take advantage of the extra energy
Rolf: yeah next turn I'll sell one less? :)
Rolf: I like this new strategy Cyber
Rolf: it's more ... fun!
Round 4 of 12
Cyber Ranger: Well, AGRESSION - IS; especially, after y'all have abdicated your positions...
Rolf: very deep
Round 5 of 12
Cyber Ranger: DAMN - knew I forgot something...
Round 6 of 12
Cyber Ranger: HEY!!!!
Rolf: hey!
Rolf: what's up bud?
Cyber Ranger: ...PACKAGE!!!!
Cyber Ranger: SMK brk, pls
CCMuleBot01: Event Probabilites: Pirates(6.67%) Pests(13.30%) Radiation(13.30%) Acid Rain(6.67%) Sunspot Activity(13.30%) Meteor Strike(13.30%) Earthquake(20.00%) Fire(13.30%)
Rolf: sure
Rolf: that was me right?
Rolf: the guy that really really sarcastically needed the package?
Lee558: k
Lee558: wait for R pls
Rolf: bot:playerevents
CCMuleBot01: Event Time Line: (2) Swamp Eel Eating [Cyber Ranger ] ~ (2) Best Built Mule [Rolf ] ~ (3) Dead Moose Rat [Lee558 ] ~ (3) Relative Died [Cyber Ranger ] ~ (3) Gypsy Inlaws [<J.I.M.> ] ~ (5) Homeworld Package [Rolf ] ~ (6) Mischievous Elves [Cyber Ranger ] ~ (6) Agriculture Award [Lee558 ] ~ (6) Artifi
CCMuleBot01: cial Dumbness [<J.I.M.> ] ~
Rolf: yeah that was sweet
Rolf: what?
Rolf: dumbness?
Rolf: bot:dumbness
Rolf: right speaking of dumbness, I'll brb
Cyber Ranger: r
Rolf: r
Lee558: r
Rolf: okay 3 2 1
Round 7 of 12
Cyber Ranger: OH, darn...
Cyber Ranger: DOUBLE-DARN...
Cyber Ranger: bot:events
CCMuleBot01: Event Time Line: (1) Acid Rain ~ (2) Acid Rain ~ (3) Pirates ~ (4) Sunspot Activity ~ (5) Pests ~ (6) Radiation ~ (7) Pirates ~
CCMuleBot01: Event Totals: Pirates (2/2) - Pests (1/3) - Radiation (1/2) - Acid Rain (2/3) - Sunspot Activity (1/3) - Meteor Strike (0/2) - Earthquake (0/3) - Fire (0/2) -
Round 8 of 12
Cyber Ranger: OH!!!!!
Round 9 of 12
Cyber Ranger: bot:probs
CCMuleBot01: Event Probabilites: Pirates(0%) Pests(16.70%) Radiation(8.33%) Acid Rain(8.33%) Sunspot Activity(16.70%) Meteor Strike(8.33%) Earthquake(25.00%) Fire(16.70%)
Cyber Ranger: EQ - oh my...
Rolf: I hate snakes!
Rolf: oh sorry, quakes!
Cyber Ranger: DAMN, still last...
Round 10 of 12
Cyber Ranger: NO FOOD - NEXT RND; just say'n...
Cyber Ranger: ...or, nrg...
Round 11 of 12
Cyber Ranger: I just hope tite - isn't 62...
Rolf: hehehe
Rolf: looks like you've got it Lee!
Cyber Ranger: WOW...
Cyber Ranger: NOW - I feel compelled, to make it so...
Cyber Ranger: Let the tite - fall, where it may...
Rolf: lol okay
Round 12 of 12
Lee558: gga. Gonna be tite!
Rolf: lol yeah but you have the edge
Lee558: not really
Cyber Ranger: WHO???
Rolf: nice win, I'll take second no worries
Lee558: up to the Mule Gods
Rolf: not you CR
Rolf: Lee, obviously
Rolf: CR could win it, what do I know
Rolf: I'm just looking at the data as I see it
Rolf: looks like Lee
Cyber Ranger: YEAH, too agressive...
Rolf: could be me, but I don't think I have enough of a surplus
Rolf: not even sure I outproduced Lee
Rolf: nope
Rolf: so it's Lee with me in second, Cyber I dunno where you end up, probably last
Cyber Ranger: OH, Jim...
Rolf: maybe third, cross your fingers
Rolf: who wants another?
Game Over
Saving score, please wait...
CCMuleBot01: Game Completed, Hosting Bot Will Start a New Game in 30 Seconds, Thanks for Playing.
CCMuleBot01: Lee558 Bot Reputation now: 157
CCMuleBot01: Rolf Bot Reputation now: 93
CCMuleBot01: Cyber Ranger Bot Reputation now: 153
Rolf: oh look at Cyber
Rolf: nice
Score saved
Rolf: I'll accept third
Cyber Ranger left the game