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landru: Rhobot, huh?
landru: Rho, whats the secret to getting +40% win rate?
Rhodan: learn the finer points of the game
landru: anything specific?
Rhodan: if you can play from third or fourth place for most of the game you win more often
Rhodan: its combination of several things
landru: yes
Rhodan: keeping money on hand for land auctions or buying ore for a spile
landru: i've become aware of the advantages of being not in first
Rhodan: you may even decide not to buy land if it leaves you money to buy ore for the spike
landru: do you think it's better to have moeny for auctions, or stock ore? you can't be neutral, it's either or
landru: not buy land to spike ore
Rhodan: you have to think ahead plan your development not just for the current rd but the next couple
landru: i wouldnt not have expected you to say that, so thanks
Rhodan: then be prepared to change that plan on the fly if your opponents leave a opening but not producing enough food nrg etc
landru: I had a pretty good win the other night where I had 11 tite plots for the last 3 ronds
landru: stockpiling energy is important
Rhodan: yes stockpile so you can hit your 6, 9 or 12 production bonuses
landru: do you ever buy the first plot at 976?
landru: so you can be in last place and get the good tite plots?
Rhodan: very rarely, usually only if its a connecting plot
Rhodan: problem with first rd buy is if there are to many land auctions early you can never catch up
landru: why are you the number 2 most wins? have you been playing longer than most people? were you on this server from the beginning?
landru: i guess you never really know how many auctions there are going to be
Rhodan: plus the added pressure if you make just one mistake you end up with a bunch of empty plots
landru: me and pappy were in a game where there was one auction in dev 1, then nothing until rnd 6
Rhodan: been playing for 4 years
landru: on this server?
Rhodan: another tip is being to cutthroat, i see player after player cut their own throat by not selling food nrg or over buying
landru: ive seen that - not selling when it could make your stockpile actually worth something
Rhodan: if you can catch a player with no nrg or food then by all means. but usaully if he has one food or short a nrg or two its serves you better to sell your product to him at the high price
landru: if a commomdity sells and various prices during the sale, does the computer make an average price and use that?
Rhodan: food and nrg is determine by a formula that uses the number of plots of that commidty out and number of units produced
landru: you sell one energy at 300. but the D/S < 1, will if affect the price more if you sell multiple units?
Rhodan: its why nrg and food doesnt spike if everyone converts to it
landru: i knew that
landru: has to be a true shortage
Rhodan: doesnt matter how many units you sell one or 10 at 215 makes the price 215 for the formula next rd
Rhodan: if many units sold at different prices then it averages them
landru: do you ever use collusion?
Rhodan: thats why you might see a opponent move down and sell his nrg cheap after you sell it highg
Rhodan: to drive the price back down
Rhodan: collusion is used in every game
landru: i mean isn't there a feature called "collusion" there was in the c64 version
Rhodan: its usually unspoken
landru: and i thought it was in this version
landru: during a commodity auction, when a seller and a buyer press their buttons at the same time, they enter a special phase called collusion
landru: where only they can trade with each other for about 15 seconds
Rhodan: no special collusion mode or only sell to certain individual in original game
landru: in c64 it was there
landru: maybe we should try it - when one of us is buying and the other is selling, try pressing space and see it triggers it
Rhodan: not to may knowledge and i play many a 4 human game on the c64
landru: i have no doubt about it being in the c64 version
landru: maybe we should try it ?
landru: wanna start a game for one round and see if we can make it happen?
Rhodan: i would have to disagree with you on the c64
landru: i have to insist about it, i've experienced it first hand
Rhodan: there is no collusion in planet mule t hough it was in planetmule2
landru: i think they should have made an update the interface of this version - (able to watch games, take over for a computer) stuff like that
landru: and MULE 2 should have taken the basic gaming engine and rethought the presentation entirely
landru: and how about variable nubmer of players so if you only have 3 people, you don't need to add comps?
Rhodan: it would have to be shown to me in c64 i have run the emulator for a year or two plus there is no mention of it in the manual. never saw it in the years of playing it while in college
landru: it just builds a smaller map, and different starting money
Rhodan: all worthy options that can be added but we will never see it
landru: it's not in the manual, but me and my friends managed to trigger it a few times, espcially during heated auctions
landru: why will we never see it? are you affiliated with the designers at all?
Rhodan: no connection to the designers. though sometimes i tell myself i should learn programming so i can fix it
landru: heh - me too
Rhodan: back to mule the more you plan ahead the more games you will win
landru: that makes sense
landru: i usually dont get to plan ahead too far, my plans often come off the rails
Rhodan: planning ahead means making sure you leave yourself enough money to develop all your plots, know how to develop them, know price of next land auc, price of goods etc
landru: but sometimes i have a plan going into the 6th or 7th rounds, and if i get to realize it, i usually win
landru: sometimes i am wrong in my predictions of prices - especially ore which sometimes hits 230 when i don't expect it
Rhodan: thats why being in third or last is best
landru: i expect maybe 160 but then it tops out and i'm left out
landru: so you can always buy?
Rhodan: its math the only thing taht will change the price is what your opponents do
Rhodan: if they dont put food out then it will spike if the store doesnt have it
Rhodan: if ore sold at 75 and they burn mules leaving at least 3 empty plots then you know price will be 200 or more
Rhodan: etc
landru: right, be 3rd or last so you can see what everyone else is doing
landru: that's a huge advantage too
Rhodan: thats the power of going last
Rhodan: you see what your opponents do and can adjust the plan
landru: do you have a strong preference of the left side over the right?
Rhodan: harder to win with all your plots on the right side
landru: i feel like getting your tite on the right is better because those are the ones you want to have switched over before the other ones
Rhodan: a even split gives you more options
landru: but yeah, if they are all on the right, it's hard to be flexible
Rhodan: its hard to beat someone who ends up with all the stite on the left side
Rhodan: they can swap 6 mules a rd on the left
Rhodan: switching from ore to stite or stite to ore
landru: true - but you should have your junk on the left, those are the ones you're gonna want to swap out quickly at the end
landru: have to good tite plots on the right, set them up in 5-6-7 and leave them
Rhodan: you have to hit your 6 9 and 12 plots in the later rds or you will loose
landru: what about the temptation to switch back to ore, say 6 plots
landru: in 9 or 10 because it MAYBE will spike
landru: hard to know what to do in that case
Rhodan: thats the power of having 6 or more plots on the left side
landru: i have being left with worthless ore in 12
landru: yeah, 6 on the left does make that possible
Rhodan: if you have most of your plots on the right you have to get your stite out on that side earlier and leave it there'
Rhodan: and make less money on rds when food or nrg spike
Rhodan: or ore
Rhodan: you can play a perfect game and still loose if random events and pricing go against you
Rhodan: i have lost many a game because of pirates in the 10 or 11th rd or because stite prices are 50 per unit
Rhodan: managing ore is the key
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landru: sorry, i got cuaght up in something over on my end :)
landru: okay, i'm back, ready to paly
landru: i'll smoke you in a 1v1
Rhodan: sorry ai is to horrible to enjoy anything but 4 human game
landru: cmon, we used to play like all the time back in the day
landru: how about one round to see if we can make collusion happen?
Rhodan: rarely did i was fortunate enough to always have 4 player games on the atari and c64
landru: in the late 90's i had a mule resurgence with a bunch of guys - we all shared the apartment and went out and got a c64 and 1541 floppy drive and used to play constantly
landru: sort of like i do now
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landru: bot:addai
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landru: bot:kick1
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Rhodan: my bot is messed up there is no position1
landru: interesting
Rhodan: cant figure out what causes it
landru: how do i get a bot?
landru: i want a bot
Rhodan: its a pain to run if you dont have a dedicated pc to run it on
Rhodan: its just a chatter box program that passes keyboard commands to the mule program
landru: 'chatter box' is a thing?
Rhodan: just a term, you click a button the in bot software and it takes over your pc to send keyboard commands to the actual mule program
Rhodan: was hoping for a decent game but guess the lurkers are never coming back
landru: 30 minutes til the other one ends
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landru: awesome
landru: gl hf
Brainy Smurf: hi
OnToMars: hi
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Scroteus T.Bag: u r all DOOMED!
Scroteus T.Bag: DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOMMMMEEDD!
Round 1 of 12
Brainy Smurf: gle
Scroteus T.Bag: ioh my
Scroteus T.Bag: the lag is awful!
landru: not so bad
Rhodan: bot:pings
Mule4uBot1: Pings: Bot: 0ms (0ms) Rhodan : 133ms (133ms) Brainy Smurf : 234ms (267ms) landru : 100ms (117ms) OnToMars : 117ms (133ms) <S15> 100ms (117ms)
Scroteus T.Bag: bot:pings
Mule4uBot1: Pings: Bot: 0ms (0ms) Rhodan : 133ms (133ms) Brainy Smurf : 234ms (267ms) landru : 100ms (117ms) OnToMars : 117ms (133ms) <S15> 100ms (117ms)
Scroteus T.Bag: i guess ill step out.. goodbye folks
landru: hang out
Scroteus T.Bag: me?
landru: i've watched whole games
landru: it's fun
landru: different perspective when you don't have a horse in the race
Scroteus T.Bag: uhm... i never thought of mule as a "Spectator" sport
Scroteus T.Bag: just a word of warning: "Cocaine is a hell of a drug"
Scroteus T.Bag: dont do cocaine'
Scroteus T.Bag: smoke herb instead
landru: crack is whack baby
Scroteus T.Bag: oh i dont mind a few hits of crack now and then
Scroteus T.Bag: i can stop at just 1
Round 2 of 12
Scroteus T.Bag: -$25,000 later
landru: 50/50 chance it's a high
Scroteus T.Bag: its more like 100% chance that I get high
Scroteus T.Bag: *chuckle*
landru: you're like matthew mcconohey in dazed and confused
landru: good job
landru: thats' disappointing
landru: i tried for the spot rhodan got - why didn't i get it?
Scroteus T.Bag: ping?
Rhodan: you can still be beat out of a plot if you dont push space when the rectangle turns gray the plot before
Scroteus T.Bag: "do you smoke weed?... well, it'd be a lot cooler if you did"
landru: ore hoarder! the mule gods will punish you!
landru: rho - far out
Scroteus T.Bag: "alright, alright, alright"
OnToMars: :)
Scroteus T.Bag: i just found a oiece of bud on floor!'
Scroteus T.Bag: just hope its not dried out brocolli
landru: that would be a bummer
Round 3 of 12
landru: aw, movin in on my mountains
landru: you gave up one of rho's mediums fo that
landru: no buyers?
landru: is it known junk?
landru: i don't think anyone has assayed that quad
Brainy Smurf: hoped for 2nd plot
Scroteus T.Bag: NOPE! that sure is hell NOT brocolli... *cough, cough*
landru: nice
landru: that was disappointing
landru: 2 bucks short!
Round 4 of 12
landru: pretty nice
landru: 300?
landru: and 1?
landru: whew
landru: no! rejected!
Scroteus T.Bag: crazyness
Round 5 of 12
landru: bot:prices
landru: i need 2 minutes at teh break
Brainy Smurf: ok
landru: one more minute
landru: sorry
Brainy Smurf: r
Rhodan: r
landru: r
OnToMars: r
Round 6 of 12
Rhodan: bot:lastauction
Mule4uBot1: 44 Plots: 6 Assets: 1487 Total: 5431
Mule4uBot1: Event Probabilites: Pirates(6.67%) Pests(20.00%) Radiation(6.67%) Acid Rain(6.67%) Sunspot Activity(20.00%) Meteor Strike(13.30%) Earthquake(13.30%) Fire(13.30%)
Round 7 of 12
landru: gotta let one loose as well
landru: if you want it to pop
landru: i guess not
landru: see rho? i thought it would take more to get it up there
OnToMars: bot:events
Mule4uBot1: Event Time Line: (1) Acid Rain ~ (2) Pirates ~ (3) Earthquake ~ (4) Radiation ~ (5) Acid Rain ~ (6) Fire ~ (7) Sunspot Activity ~
Mule4uBot1: Event Totals: Pirates (1/2) - Pests (0/3) - Radiation (1/2) - Acid Rain (2/3) - Sunspot Activity (1/3) - Meteor Strike (0/2) - Earthquake (1/3) - Fire (1/2) -
landru: 96?
landru: noway
landru: thats it
landru: he's done
landru: don't drag it out
Round 8 of 12
landru: high price to pay
landru: ol
landru: lol
landru: nice
Round 9 of 12
landru: :(
landru: that's supposed to be my freebie
landru: you have all the river plots
OnToMars: bot:probs
Mule4uBot1: Event Probabilites: Pirates(8.33%) Pests(16.70%) Radiation(8.33%) Acid Rain(8.33%) Sunspot Activity(16.70%) Meteor Strike(16.70%) Earthquake(16.70%) Fire(8.33%)
landru: rhodan, you have a third high right?
Rhodan: possible
landru: top left radar - i think it's for def
landru: jesus
landru: tite is dead
landru: pirates comin?
Round 10 of 12
landru: bs
Rhodan: bot:events
Mule4uBot1: Event Time Line: (1) Acid Rain ~ (2) Pirates ~ (3) Earthquake ~ (4) Radiation ~ (5) Acid Rain ~ (6) Fire ~ (7) Sunspot Activity ~ (8) Pests ~ (9) Acid Rain ~ (10) Sunspot Activity ~
Mule4uBot1: Event Totals: Pirates (1/2) - Pests (1/3) - Radiation (1/2) - Acid Rain (3/3) - Sunspot Activity (2/3) - Meteor Strike (0/2) - Earthquake (1/3) - Fire (1/2) -
landru: all that for that?
Round 11 of 12
landru: wow!
landru: oh you guys
landru: shit!!!!!!
landru: couldn't get one more out of it huh?
Rhodan: quake has won it for you
OnToMars: maybe
Rhodan: no brainy quake gave brainy game
Brainy Smurf: otm is strong with food
Round 12 of 12
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OnToMars: win or loose R you are very good
Rhodan: food may do it for you depend on stite
Rhodan: food rulz
Rhodan: will be close
landru: bot:prices
Mule4uBot1: Smithore buy price $65 sell price $100, Crystite buy price $68 sell price $208, Food buy price $102 sell price $137, Energy buy price $10 sell price $45, Mule Price: mule now costs $270
Brainy Smurf: gge
landru: tho
Game Over
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Mule4uBot1: 0 Plots: 11 Assets: 1465 Total: 23065
Mule4uBot1: 2:OnToMars Money: $12876 Plots: 10 Assets: 4205 Total: 22081
Mule4uBot1: 3:Brainy Smurf Money: $13656 Plots: 12 Assets: 2200 Total: 21856
Mule4uBot1: 4:landru Money: $5248 Plots: 11 Assets: 8014 Total: 18762
landru: rho
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landru: gga
Brainy Smurf: grats rho, stite not high enough
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