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 61 
 on: February 08, 2022, 21:38 
Started by Shoben - Last post by Shoben
Hello there

Lately there has been discord over some strategies I and some of my mates sometimes use and allegations of trolling and collusion have been brought up. Today I wanna try and do away with one of these allegations and it is regarding how we play auctions.


Initial Situation

So let's look at a situation where an auction is coming up. I (Player 1) have 2000$ in my pocket. Player 2 is the proud owner of 3000$. Player 3 and 4 each scrape the barrel and are already out of the race.


The obvious approach

So, as I am not leading in money, it is clear that I won't be getting this plot. The obvious thing to do now is to push the price up anyway as far as I can so Player 2 won't get the purchase for any cheaper than is necessary. Perfectly logical way to go, but it doesn't have to be the wise thing to do is what I proclaim. And for not always following this strategy I have been accused of colluding with Player 2 multiple times. I can honestly understand why someone would jump to that conclusion - I am sparing another player additional costs after all - so let's dive into the strategy and see if I can bring a new perspective.


The self-centered approach

Pushing the price up creates more cost for Player 2, which is in principle advantageous for me. But let's look at what I gain, or rather, what I might be missing out on this way.
So let's say a second auction comes up right away. As I have pushed the price of the last one up to 2000$, Player 2 had to buy the plot for 2004$, the starting bid for this new auction is probably at around 1950$. Not bad, since Player 2 is down to 996$ and Player 3 and 4 don't have any money to speak of, I can now buy this plot uncontested. But the obvious downside here is I won't have any money left and possibly won't be able to build anything new this round (which sucks extra, because I have just received two new plots!).
Why not go for an alternative approach: Leaving some headroom for yourself. Let's go back to the first auction. Instead of pushing the price as high up as I'm able to, I can just push it up to say 1600$. Sure, Player 2 now saves 400$ on his purchase, but guess what: In the following auction, so do I. And since I am the one with less money, those 400$ would hurt me more than they would hurt them. Now I too am able to buy a plot and can still buy mules in the development phase.
Of course there is mutual benefit in this, so you could technically call it "collusion", but by that definition, any time you choose not to sabotage another player even if it would cause you way more damage than them, is a collusion. Or not?
If you're still not convinced, let's take a look at a comparison of outcomes for this strategy and the traditional one.


What is better? Your loss or my benefit?

I have created a table for comparing the outcomes of the two strategies:

Pushing the Price as high as possible
 
Leaving some Headroom for myself
 
Player 1 (me)Can buy a plot of land in 2nd auction for all my money.

No money left for buying mules.
 
 
Can buy a plot of land in 2nd auction.

Still have money left for buying mules.
 
 
Player 2Has to buy a plot of land for 2000$.

Still has enough money left either way.
 
 
Was able to save 400$ on the auction.

Still has enough money left either way.
 
 

Look at the table and draw your own conclusions wether driving the price to the max is really always the clever move.
As for me, I don't see why I should pass on my own benefit in order to cause the player with the most money some more costs. In my eyes, hurting one player is not the superior option to lifting your own progress up.

I hope you will evaluate again if this is an unfair collusion plot or just a player trying to get the best outcome for himself.
Stop being so salty over alternative strategies and thanks you for listening to my TedTalk.  Kiss

 62 
 on: February 03, 2022, 05:28 
Started by El Chapo - Last post by El Chapo
The rest of this week is going to keep me busy tangling with the fools and sc Angry Angry bags of the Real World, to my great agitation and disappointment. I will log on for early morning (my time) games on Thu and on Sat, but I'm not keen on bots. Friday may be totally wiped out. No promises, but it'd be nice to get a good run of four-tops going one of these next three (3) evenings if possible. Hope to see a bunch of you playing!

This'll be my last avails post, as the "trend" hasn't taken off, and so it doesn't seem to be worth continuing. If, in the future, I'm part of a group that wants to set up a game, of course we'll post details here in the event we need more players. I guess the extremely low engagements with these posts are grim evidence of the way that social media (perspiration) has destroyed forum culture (information). Sad!

Semper Games

 63 
 on: February 02, 2022, 01:58 
Started by El Chapo - Last post by El Chapo
Early (before noon my time) and late (after 2 P.M. my time) but all subject to change depending on building maintenance issues where I live/work. We'll see.

 64 
 on: February 01, 2022, 05:10 
Started by El Chapo - Last post by El Chapo
Unable to play in the morning (West Coast Best Coast US&A time) and might not be free until later in the afternoon. This last couple weeks have been a real downer and a waste of time, so might just sit things out for a while.

 65 
 on: January 29, 2022, 05:08 
Started by El Chapo - Last post by El Chapo
Busy weekend. Might try to play in the early morning games (my time -- 7.A.M West Coast Best Coast U.S. and A. time) each day, but not sure about anything thereafter on Sat. No dice on Sun after 9 A.M. my time, though late late night shift is a possibility.

As things stand, given the motherf AngryAngryAngry ings I've been dealt by this stupid game all week, the juice probably ain't worth the squeeze -- it so rarely is on weekend mornings -- so we'll see what's doing.

 66 
 on: January 28, 2022, 19:42 
Started by El Chapo - Last post by El Chapo
Sorry to be late with my avails:

Today (Fri 28 Jan 2022) I expect to be on from 5 P.M. Elvis Time through closing.

Week end bay bee!

And maybe (MAYBE) I'll check in for the early Sat morning start tomorrow (~9 A.M. Elvis), ditto for Sunday.

 67 
 on: January 28, 2022, 01:03 
Started by El Chapo - Last post by El Chapo
Your opinion is noted, and not new, as far as the incidents you obliquely refer to are concerned. IMO your response belongs in another discussion, as it is off-topic (player availabilities).

Perhaps you'd care to post your own treatise about different play styles?

 68 
 on: January 27, 2022, 23:10 
Started by El Chapo - Last post by Shoben
Getting new players is a hard task, when any new player is accused of collusion if they use an different playstyle  Undecided

Anyway I hope I'm not too offtopic, but since you mentioned a need for more players:
I've been playing for a few months now and I love the game, also love that there is a dedicated playerbase that seems to love it as well, small as it may be.
However my experience with some of the veteran players is that they are rather hostile to newbs such as myself. Examples of this include accusations of collusion simply because I don't play the exact same strategies as the veteran players, as well as being kicked and put on a black list for something as benign as wiggling my character.

My point is, if you don't wanna play with me for any of those reasons, that's fine. But if you're wondering why the playerbase is so small or why it doesn't seem to grow, maybe look at how you deal with people that are just discovering the game.

 69 
 on: January 27, 2022, 00:42 
Started by El Chapo - Last post by El Chapo
I'll be on from 2 P.M. Elvis Time (U.S. Central Time) until closing. We need more players! Things get boring with the same little crowd playing over and over again.

 70 
 on: January 26, 2022, 09:41 
Started by El Chapo - Last post by El Chapo
I'll be on from 3 P.M. Elvis Time until closing, unless the game decides to play rude and kick me square in the nuts again, in which case I'll bugger off and play chess the rest of the week.

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